Spine Model(Erector Spinae muscles)

Hello Soren,

I have a simple question.
Could you please tell me how one can see to which body the via points
of the muscles (e .g. of the Erector Spinae, LTPT) are attached to.
Visually some via points seem to have no connection to any vertebra
whereas the insertion and origin points are visually located on vertebrae.
In which file, which command connects the via points to the body? In
the tutorial, the insertion, via and origin points are defined at the
section where the bodies are defined, but in the standing model …?

With best regards,

Hi natiqpervaiz,

There is neat way to see which body the via
points of the muscle attached to.

Using the example you asked, the Erector Spinae
muscles, you can see which point(s) each muscle
attached to from the Explorer window (By default
this window located at the upper left side) - The
default tab of this window is currently set to
“Operations”, make sure you select the “Model”
tab (See figure “ModelA.jpg” if the
explanation is not clear).

Alternately, this Model tree can also be found in
all file editor windows, by selecting the “Model”
tab.

Then browse to the following folder:
Main->Model->HumanModel->Trunk->MusleSpineLeft->
ErectorSpinae

You can see all the different muscle folders.
click on one of them, let say “LTpt1L1”, and you
can see all the muscle properties under this
folder, including all the points it connect to.
Double click (or right click, select “Reference
Object:Description”) on the “Via1” you will get
the description of this via point and which
segment it connects to (see figure
“ModelB.jpg” if the explanation is not clear).

Alternately, the same information of the Erector
Spinae Muscles can be access from:
Brep/Spine/ErectorSpinaeRight.any

Note: Please find the above mentioned figures in
the File section of the Yahoo Group, inside
folder “For natiqpervaiz”.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Leng-Feng

— natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hello Soren,
>
> I have a simple question.
> Could you please tell me how one can see to
> which body the via points
> of the muscles (e .g. of the Erector Spinae,
> LTPT) are attached to.
> Visually some via points seem to have no
> connection to any vertebra
> whereas the insertion and origin points are
> visually located on vertebrae.
> In which file, which command connects the via
> points to the body? In
> the tutorial, the insertion, via and origin
> points are defined at the
> section where the bodies are defined, but in
> the standing model …?
>
> With best regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi Leng-Feng,

thanks for your answer. I am now able to find out to which segment a
via point is attached, but i now have another question: Visually there
is a gap between some via points and the segments (e.g.
LTptT12Sarcrum, all via points). How can this be explained
anatomically? Is there a ligamentous connection not visible in AnyBody?

Thanks, Natiq

— In anyscript@yahoogroups.com, Leng-Feng Lee <lengfenglee@…> wrote:
>
> Hi natiqpervaiz,
>
> There is neat way to see which body the via
> points of the muscle attached to.
>
> Using the example you asked, the Erector Spinae
> muscles, you can see which point(s) each muscle
> attached to from the Explorer window (By default
> this window located at the upper left side) - The
> default tab of this window is currently set to
> “Operations”, make sure you select the “Model”
> tab (See figure “ModelA.jpg” if the
> explanation is not clear).
>
> Alternately, this Model tree can also be found in
> all file editor windows, by selecting the “Model”
> tab.
>
> Then browse to the following folder:
> Main->Model->HumanModel->Trunk->MusleSpineLeft->
> ErectorSpinae
>
> You can see all the different muscle folders.
> click on one of them, let say “LTpt1L1”, and you
> can see all the muscle properties under this
> folder, including all the points it connect to.
> Double click (or right click, select “Reference
> Object:Description”) on the “Via1” you will get
> the description of this via point and which
> segment it connects to (see figure
> “ModelB.jpg” if the explanation is not clear).
>
> Alternately, the same information of the Erector
> Spinae Muscles can be access from:
> Brep/Spine/ErectorSpinaeRight.any
>
> Note: Please find the above mentioned figures in
> the File section of the Yahoo Group, inside
> folder “For natiqpervaiz”.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Thanks,
> Leng-Feng
>
>
> — natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@…> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Soren,
> >
> > I have a simple question.
> > Could you please tell me how one can see to
> > which body the via points
> > of the muscles (e .g. of the Erector Spinae,
> > LTPT) are attached to.
> > Visually some via points seem to have no
> > connection to any vertebra
> > whereas the insertion and origin points are
> > visually located on vertebrae.
> > In which file, which command connects the via
> > points to the body? In
> > the tutorial, the insertion, via and origin
> > points are defined at the
> > section where the bodies are defined, but in
> > the standing model …?
> >
> > With best regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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Hi Natiq,

There can be several answer for your questions,
to be more specific, could you please post screen
captures (to the file section, you can create a
folder call “Natiq”) to show what exactly you
referring to?

Can you also tell what are the procedures/studies
(SetInitialConditions, KinematicsAnalysis, etc)
you have run?

This will make the troubleshooting easier.

Thanks,
Leng-feng

— natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Leng-Feng,
>
> thanks for your answer. I am now able to find
> out to which segment a
> via point is attached, but i now have another
> question: Visually there
> is a gap between some via points and the
> segments (e.g.
> LTptT12Sarcrum, all via points). How can this
> be explained
> anatomically? Is there a ligamentous connection
> not visible in AnyBody?
>
> Thanks, Natiq
>
> — In anyscript@yahoogroups.com, Leng-Feng Lee
> <lengfenglee@…> wrote:
> >
> > Hi natiqpervaiz,
> >
> > There is neat way to see which body the via
> > points of the muscle attached to.
> >
> > Using the example you asked, the Erector
> Spinae
> > muscles, you can see which point(s) each
> muscle
> > attached to from the Explorer window (By
> default
> > this window located at the upper left side) -
> The
> > default tab of this window is currently set
> to
> > “Operations”, make sure you select the
> “Model”
> > tab (See figure “ModelA.jpg” if the
> > explanation is not clear).
> >
> > Alternately, this Model tree can also be
> found in
> > all file editor windows, by selecting the
> “Model”
> > tab.
> >
> > Then browse to the following folder:
> >
>
Main->Model->HumanModel->Trunk->MusleSpineLeft->
> > ErectorSpinae
> >
> > You can see all the different muscle folders.
> > click on one of them, let say “LTpt1L1”, and
> you
> > can see all the muscle properties under this
> > folder, including all the points it connect
> to.
> > Double click (or right click, select
> “Reference
> > Object:Description”) on the “Via1” you will
> get
> > the description of this via point and which
> > segment it connects to (see figure
> > “ModelB.jpg” if the explanation is not
> clear).
> >
> > Alternately, the same information of the
> Erector
> > Spinae Muscles can be access from:
> > Brep/Spine/ErectorSpinaeRight.any
> >
> > Note: Please find the above mentioned figures
> in
> > the File section of the Yahoo Group, inside
> > folder “For natiqpervaiz”.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Leng-Feng
> >
> >
> > — natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@…> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hello Soren,
> > >
> > > I have a simple question.
> > > Could you please tell me how one can see to
> > > which body the via points
> > > of the muscles (e .g. of the Erector
> Spinae,
> > > LTPT) are attached to.
> > > Visually some via points seem to have no
> > > connection to any vertebra
> > > whereas the insertion and origin points are
> > > visually located on vertebrae.
> > > In which file, which command connects the
> via
> > > points to the body? In
> > > the tutorial, the insertion, via and origin
> > > points are defined at the
> > > section where the bodies are defined, but
> in
> > > the standing model …?
> > >
> > > With best regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Hi Leng-Feng Lee,

I did not run the analysis yet.I noticed it without runniung.
I have posted the picture.

thank
Natiq

— In anyscript@yahoogroups.com, Leng-Feng Lee <lengfenglee@…> wrote:
>
> Hi Natiq,
>
> There can be several answer for your questions,
> to be more specific, could you please post screen
> captures (to the file section, you can create a
> folder call “Natiq”) to show what exactly you
> referring to?
>
> Can you also tell what are the procedures/studies
> (SetInitialConditions, KinematicsAnalysis, etc)
> you have run?
>
> This will make the troubleshooting easier.
>
> Thanks,
> Leng-feng
>
>
> — natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@…> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Leng-Feng,
> >
> > thanks for your answer. I am now able to find
> > out to which segment a
> > via point is attached, but i now have another
> > question: Visually there
> > is a gap between some via points and the
> > segments (e.g.
> > LTptT12Sarcrum, all via points). How can this
> > be explained
> > anatomically? Is there a ligamentous connection
> > not visible in AnyBody?
> >
> > Thanks, Natiq
> >
> > — In anyscript@yahoogroups.com, Leng-Feng Lee
> > <lengfenglee@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi natiqpervaiz,
> > >
> > > There is neat way to see which body the via
> > > points of the muscle attached to.
> > >
> > > Using the example you asked, the Erector
> > Spinae
> > > muscles, you can see which point(s) each
> > muscle
> > > attached to from the Explorer window (By
> > default
> > > this window located at the upper left side) -
> > The
> > > default tab of this window is currently set
> > to
> > > “Operations”, make sure you select the
> > “Model”
> > > tab (See figure “ModelA.jpg” if the
> > > explanation is not clear).
> > >
> > > Alternately, this Model tree can also be
> > found in
> > > all file editor windows, by selecting the
> > “Model”
> > > tab.
> > >
> > > Then browse to the following folder:
> > >
> >
> Main->Model->HumanModel->Trunk->MusleSpineLeft->
> > > ErectorSpinae
> > >
> > > You can see all the different muscle folders.
> > > click on one of them, let say “LTpt1L1”, and
> > you
> > > can see all the muscle properties under this
> > > folder, including all the points it connect
> > to.
> > > Double click (or right click, select
> > “Reference
> > > Object:Description”) on the “Via1” you will
> > get
> > > the description of this via point and which
> > > segment it connects to (see figure
> > > “ModelB.jpg” if the explanation is not
> > clear).
> > >
> > > Alternately, the same information of the
> > Erector
> > > Spinae Muscles can be access from:
> > > Brep/Spine/ErectorSpinaeRight.any
> > >
> > > Note: Please find the above mentioned figures
> > in
> > > the File section of the Yahoo Group, inside
> > > folder “For natiqpervaiz”.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Leng-Feng
> > >
> > >
> > > — natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Soren,
> > > >
> > > > I have a simple question.
> > > > Could you please tell me how one can see to
> > > > which body the via points
> > > > of the muscles (e .g. of the Erector
> > Spinae,
> > > > LTPT) are attached to.
> > > > Visually some via points seem to have no
> > > > connection to any vertebra
> > > > whereas the insertion and origin points are
> > > > visually located on vertebrae.
> > > > In which file, which command connects the
> > via
> > > > points to the body? In
> > > > the tutorial, the insertion, via and origin
> > > > points are defined at the
> > > > section where the bodies are defined, but
> > in
> > > > the standing model …?
> > > >
> > > > With best regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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> >
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>
>
>
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Hi Natiq,

I think you are referring to the blue spheres? If
this is the case, then those blue sphere are no
the via points of the muscles.

They are just contact points that have nothing to
do with the definition of the muscle. Those
contact points are defined in:
BRep/aalborg/Spine/ContactPoints.any

To see which points they referred to, simple open
the above .any file, change one of the contact
node’s RGB value to green: {0,1,0} and load the
model, you will see the corresponding sphere
become green color.

Example: Change any of the following folder:

AnyDrawNode drw={
ScaleXYZ={0.005,.005,.005};
RGB={0,0,1}; //blue color
};

to

AnyDrawNode drw={
ScaleXYZ={0.005,.005,.005};
RGB={0,1,0}; //green color
};

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,
Leng-Feng Lee

— natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Leng-Feng Lee,
>
> I did not run the analysis yet.I noticed it
> without runniung.
> I have posted the picture.
>
> thank
> Natiq
>
>
> — In anyscript@yahoogroups.com, Leng-Feng Lee
> <lengfenglee@…> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Natiq,
> >
> > There can be several answer for your
> questions,
> > to be more specific, could you please post
> screen
> > captures (to the file section, you can create
> a
> > folder call “Natiq”) to show what exactly you
> > referring to?
> >
> > Can you also tell what are the
> procedures/studies
> > (SetInitialConditions, KinematicsAnalysis,
> etc)
> > you have run?
> >
> > This will make the troubleshooting easier.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Leng-feng
> >
> >
> > — natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@…> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Leng-Feng,
> > >
> > > thanks for your answer. I am now able to
> find
> > > out to which segment a
> > > via point is attached, but i now have
> another
> > > question: Visually there
> > > is a gap between some via points and the
> > > segments (e.g.
> > > LTptT12Sarcrum, all via points). How can
> this
> > > be explained
> > > anatomically? Is there a ligamentous
> connection
> > > not visible in AnyBody?
> > >
> > > Thanks, Natiq
> > >
> > > — In anyscript@yahoogroups.com, Leng-Feng
> Lee
> > > <lengfenglee@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi natiqpervaiz,
> > > >
> > > > There is neat way to see which body the
> via
> > > > points of the muscle attached to.
> > > >
> > > > Using the example you asked, the Erector
> > > Spinae
> > > > muscles, you can see which point(s) each
> > > muscle
> > > > attached to from the Explorer window (By
> > > default
> > > > this window located at the upper left
> side) -
> > > The
> > > > default tab of this window is currently
> set
> > > to
> > > > “Operations”, make sure you select the
> > > “Model”
> > > > tab (See figure “ModelA.jpg” if the
> > > > explanation is not clear).
> > > >
> > > > Alternately, this Model tree can also be
> > > found in
> > > > all file editor windows, by selecting the
> > > “Model”
> > > > tab.
> > > >
> > > > Then browse to the following folder:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Main->Model->HumanModel->Trunk->MusleSpineLeft->
> > > > ErectorSpinae
> > > >
> > > > You can see all the different muscle
> folders.
> > > > click on one of them, let say “LTpt1L1”,
> and
> > > you
> > > > can see all the muscle properties under
> this
> > > > folder, including all the points it
> connect
> > > to.
> > > > Double click (or right click, select
> > > “Reference
> > > > Object:Description”) on the “Via1” you
> will
> > > get
> > > > the description of this via point and
> which
> > > > segment it connects to (see figure
> > > > “ModelB.jpg” if the explanation is not
> > > clear).
> > > >
> > > > Alternately, the same information of the
> > > Erector
> > > > Spinae Muscles can be access from:
> > > > Brep/Spine/ErectorSpinaeRight.any
> > > >
> > > > Note: Please find the above mentioned
> figures
> > > in
> > > > the File section of the Yahoo Group,
> inside
> > > > folder “For natiqpervaiz”.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Leng-Feng
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > — natiqpervaiz <natiqpervaiz@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Soren,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a simple question.
> > > > > Could you please tell me how one can
> see to
> > > > > which body the via points
> > > > > of the muscles (e .g. of the Erector
> > > Spinae,
> > > > > LTPT) are attached to.
> > > > > Visually some via points seem to have
> no
> > > > > connection to any vertebra
> > > > > whereas the insertion and origin points
> are
> > > > > visually located on vertebrae.
> > > > > In which file, which command connects
> the
> > > via
> > > > > points to the body? In
> > > > > the tutorial, the insertion, via and
> origin
> > > > > points are defined at the
> > > > > section where the bodies are defined,
> but
> > > in
> > > > > the standing model …?
> > > > >
> > > > > With best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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